5 hours ago, Fulcrum.013 said:

Programming != coding. It is kind of engeenering. Coding is just a final part. Programing language is just something like pen intended to describe a way to solve a problem (aka algo) to computer. But to describe it by code you have to find it way first. It require to describe problem mathematically first.

THIS is the core WHY, I think.

If one wants to be no more than a monkey-coder making code from detailed specifications (and I've worked with a lot of people like that), then you can get away with a limited knowledge of Maths.

If one wants to actually look at a real world problem/need and be able to specify, design and code the system which addresses that problem/need, then you need all the tools you can get in your toolbox, especially Maths as for most things it has a tool or other that works or at least helps.

9 hours ago, Fulcrum.013 said:

May be it language issue, but on slavic languages anything of it called engeenering. By other world anything related to any tech (not machinery or construction only) or ever chemistry and economy, that require to find way how to solve tasks and prove it solution by calculations/mathematical theories doing by persons that have qualification engeener of related field. For eхample engeeneer-programmer, engeneer-builder, engeneer-economist or ever engeneer-mathemathic and so on.

In English - or at least, in Canadian English - "engineering" and "tech" are different things, even though some tech workers are sometimes called "engineers." Colloquially, "tech" usually refers to software or information technology. "Engineering" refers to things like designing bridges and machines. Where I went to school there was a degree program called "software engineering", but it was just a specialization of computer science, which was a department in the faculty of science. "Software engineers" who go through that degree program cannot become certified professional engineers because "software engineering" is not actually recognized as "engineering" by the organizations that license engineers. Some schools even put computer science under the faculty of mathematics, not science!

A true "engineer" to a Canadian is someone who wears the Iron Ring - someone who has learned the ethics of engineering and gone through a ritual where they swear an sort of "engineer's oath" to uphold that code of ethics and can be held accountable by the public for mistakes (which is NOT true of the vast majority of software developers!). Typically when I think of engineering, I think of fields like mechanical engineering, where there is a lot of emphasis on rigorous mathematical design of physical things. Such engineers do write software - and there are "computer engineers" - but they tend to approach software problems with the mindset that the code itself is only incidental to the real problem, which is almost always control of a piece of hardware. Computer scientists and "software engineers" typically have the opposite. Most of our problems involve software as the primary thing we are building - how it is structured and how it interacts with other software and even whether the customer is happy with how it looks on the screen. How we are going to deal with (inevitable) requirements changes a month before ship - or three years after shipping our software...

Since my undergrad was in computer science, I didn't go through the Ritual of the Calling of an Engineer, I don't wear the Iron Ring, and I am actually not allowed to call myself a "professional engineer." Nonetheless, my job title is "software engineer", which is a term I try to avoid applying to myself because it arguably dilutes the meaning of the word "engineer".

I already knew some places regulated the term, but the words "engineer" and "engineering" are regulated in many places, unregulated in others.

Wikipedia (the fount of all truth) says Canada strictly regulates the word.  The US regulations vary by state.

US centric, but about 18 months ago in Oregon there was a big kerfuffle about an electronics engineer who wrote about a perceived design flaw. The Oregon State Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying attempted to censor his paper and fined him for calling himself an engineer. After it hit the media and the man fought back, the agency backed down on their fines but his lawsuit against them remains. While nobody disputes they can regulate the terms for employment licensing in specific industries, it is still an open question if they can regulate use of the word in general, and the case is still grinding through the courts.

In some places terms like software engineer and electrical engineer are not regulated, in other place anybody who utters the word engineer near their name for anything from train engineer to civil engineer to sanitation engineer requires a government license.

On 9/20/2018 at 2:10 PM, RidiculousName said:

I've been wondering why universities require Computer Science students to take a lot of mathematics classes. What sort of things will higher mathematics such as trigonometry, calculus, etc. help me achieve with computer science? I'm especially interested in programming.

If there were a way to explain you how much i suck at algebra, you would not believe it. I use calculator for sums, just to be sure LOL
I never so far had a problem with programming. And I've done some hardcore encryption(Galois Field math).

Only thing you need is to understand the concept. Then you can use the formulas other people provide. You have to understand the concept.

Programming is logical not mathematical. You do have to be intuitive at geometry for 3D. You have to visualize inside your mind the problem to solve. Then copy the formulas you need from google. In all the programming schools i were, we never were expected to know about math. On exams we were given the formulas we need and even an extra explication about the formulas. Our lectors always told us: "you don't need to be good at math in order to program. If math is so heavily used and so important in a company, they will have a mathematician aside from the programmers"

Of course it is a plus to be good at math. It is a plus to be good at biology too. Not everyone is a McGyver. Don't torture yourself about having flaws.

Programming is more about algorithms than about formulas.

(i've lost 10 years because i was afraid to try programming. I was afraid because i have been told it requires lot of math. Then i tried it and it was super intuitive. I could have started to program 10 years sooner if i were not being told myths)
(i've seen a guy who was very good at math, but was having problems to understand how a for-loop works...)

1 hour ago, NikiTo said:

Programming is more about algorithms than about formulas.

This depends on the problem you want to solve. Often the math is trivial and the problem is just to make it fast, often the algorithm is trivial but the math has to be worked out and is not yet known.

So by thinking you get away with bad math skills, you reduce your ability to solve problems, especially problems that are still unsolved and so worth to spend work on.

1 hour ago, NikiTo said:

Our lectors always told us: "you don't need to be good at math in order to program. If math is so heavily used and so important in a company, they will have a mathematician aside from the programmers"

It seems you wasted your time in this school - that nonsense is really hard to believe. (i made the same mistake - wrong school, and i still suffer everyday by learning math myself.)

Maybe this school targets to build an army of web developers... something like that.