quote: Original post by Sarazen
there is no right or wrong, just fuckign do it.(oh, ahw ... I don't care for your fine arts bullshit. I write because I enjoy writing, not because I want to be a part of the Fine Arts club. I'm not afraid of anything, and I take deep offence at what you say.)

I had kind of guessed that already. Sorry, I don't think I was trying to offend you, though.
As for arrogance, don't worry, I know I am too, so that's why I dare comment on yours, which honestly don't bother me, used to mine as I am.
I was not trying to judge you or patronize you, I was just trying to defuse a flamebait, which I don't like to see happen on a thread of mine (unless I did it on purpose).

I was just saying that your point of view has very valid arguments, and is no less valid than a more technical point of view... I tried both sides (well, as a painter/whatever, at least), and after a few years I am still trying to find a happy compromise.
I like to do things for others to enjoy. Unlike when I started art (mainly painting and drawing), when I was still working for my own pleasure and education, I now sometimes feel confident enough to think of my works as showable to other people than me... does that make me better or worse ? Well, better from my point of view. I don't really care, jsut like you, what my lecturers would say, nor my parents, not any other freaking person... it's my art, period.

And of course this works for you, too. If you are happy with the way you are, why on earth would you want to change ? I know I don't like it. "afraid" was the wrong word to use, and as you have not guessed, I was trying to defend you on that one... though it doesn't really matter anymore, you're old enough (?) to do that by yourself, if only your posts didn't look like flamebaits...
So, please let's not turn this into another of those "what is best" thread. There is no definite answer, and as long as we all agree that we all disagree (or something similar), then that should be enough.
End of argument (I hope ... please ?)

Oh, and about the Fine Arts thing, well, I know I sound elitist when I talk about it. But I'll tell you a secret, that's because they *are* freaking elitists... at least where I was. That's the reason I didn't follow their student course, but only lessons; I can't stand elitism; unfortunately it's much too common in the French educational system :/

BTW, Sarazen, I didn't thank you for your kind post whn the thread started, so thanks, and yes, there should be more, as soon as I find where my Muse is gone...


Edited by - ahw on August 27, 2001 4:40:47 PM

indeed

quote: Original post by ahw
It took me a long time to realise that changing a tad bit my art to help people "get it" is not equivalent to selling my soul to the Great Capitalist (hard to translate), but in fact, is quite satisfying. The danger as always, is to be able to keep the balance and not lose your personality by subduing to other people''s desires ...

I like this point. Just wanted to add my 2 credits worth...

ahw, have you ever heard of the concept of "Chef''s Joy?" I heard of it as the artist''s balance between selling out and ignoring economics. You create with the mentality of a great chef, who has enough knowledge, instinct, self-confidence and creativity to try new things, but always with an eye on the audience''s contentment. The practice of art then becomes trying myriad things that express what you want to express but that will, like a good recipe, resonate with who your audience is.

I like the concept because it helps solve the classic conflict between integrity and going hungry.

(btw, good piece...)

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Just waiting for the mothership...

LOL, Chef''s Joy , very fitting indeed. I cook, so I''d now about that. What do you do when you don''t have the recipients to cook, hardly the food you need to do it properly, and an audience that''s barely aware that there is something else beyond potatoes (remember, I am FRENCH).
Well ... you learn to enjoy all those difficulties. You learn to work and show your skills *within* the boundaries, because sometimes, there is just no way around. And it''s quite rewarding, if you ask me.
For Art it''s the same, for me. I enjoy, once in a while, constraints, as they allow me to show off in the face of adversity. I am a social animal, I like being with other people, and I like them to care for me. If I do my Art and I am satisfied with it, it''s OK; but if someone else like it too ...

(ah, yes, I am glad you appreciate this little work, thank you)



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